Recipe discussion for brew day at Transplants on Jan 2nd

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Recipe discussion for brew day at Transplants on Jan 2nd

Post by PatRay » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:09 am

We have a planned collaboration brew with Transplants on Jan 2nd. The idea is to do a red IPA. Since Matt and Sarah are sourcing the ingredients, I would defer to them. I'll offer up some generalities below for discussion trying to keep KISS in mind

32% 2-row
32% Pale malt
16% C-60
15% Rye
5% Roasted Barley

Chinook @ 60 for ~37 IBU's
Centennial @ 30 for ~16 IBU's
Cascade @ 30 for ~11 IBU's
Centennial @ 10 for ~7 IBU's
Cascade @ 10 for ~4 IBU's
Dry hopped with Cascade and Centennial

Fermented with an American Ale strain (WLP001, US05, etc)

Thoughts?

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Re: Recipe discussion for brew day at Transplants on Jan 2nd

Post by Kevin » Wed Nov 17, 2021 9:19 am

Crystal percentage seems a little high, might be good to dial that back a bit. I think some Munich might be a good addition too.

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Re: Recipe discussion for brew day at Transplants on Jan 2nd

Post by PatRay » Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:33 am

What about something like below?I had the C-60 for color, but it looks like the Munich will do the same and would be a better option. Adjust if you think it should be a different ratio. Maybe Matt can plug in the numbers and see what the SRM would be based on the below malts.

I should also add:
Shooting for:
~7% ABV
~80 IBU's
~14 SRM

32% 2-row
32% Pale malt
10% C-60
15% Rye
6% Munich
5% Roasted Barley

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Re: Recipe discussion for brew day at Transplants on Jan 2nd

Post by Kevin » Wed Nov 17, 2021 11:03 am

That looks better. I'll defer to Matt and Dylan for more input. I'm very out of practice.

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Re: Recipe discussion for brew day at Transplants on Jan 2nd

Post by DylanD » Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:55 am

I should check in here more often...

Late to the party, I'll offer my .02 on the recipe and summarize some impressions:
  • I'd hold back from the 80 IBU mark in order to allow some room for the bitterness provided by spruce tips (is spruce still part of the plan?)
  • 1.5 lbs/BBL (15# total usage) spruce tips at knockout or during fermentation seems reasonable (maybe 7.5# ea?)
  • I like Centennial for a mid-kettle addition, but my personal preference is to showcase more resinous and assertive late kettle and dry hops in a red rye. Floral and grassy hops tend to get lost in the mix. This is especially true for Cascade, but entirely subjective - perhaps you had intended a more subtle hop profile, so do as you please
  • The example below uses mostly Sultana(Denali) and Chinook. These should both be complimentary to spruce
  • If Sultana is a pain to source, another resin-forward hop would work, though I might adjust dosage. (Idaho 7, Columbus, Nugget, Apollo, Warrior)
  • The recipe makes a number of assumptions about Transplants' brewhouse, but is geared toward even numbers, full sacks, etc. while approximating your percentages. Batch size here is post-boil kettle volume. I may be off the mark vs. their typical numbers, but hopefully this will save them some work anyway
  • I've tried not to mess with the aforementioned malt percentages too much, but 5% Roasted Barley would put the color past 30 SRM. For beers which I don't want to taste roasty, I keep this contribution under 1.5%. Blackprinz/Carafa/Midnight Wheat would all work too
  • This OG yields 7% ABV @ 82% ADF (FG 1.011). Adjust as needed to compensate for Transplants' typical results with 001 at this mash temp
  • 14 SRM definitely leaves room to go darker, but "red" is somewhat ambiguous. 20L Munich could be used instead of 8L for a touch more color if desired (a.k.a. dark Munich/melanoidin/aromatic, etc.). Alternatively, use 1.5 bags or 82.5# C60, which meets your 10% usage mark and gains about 1.5 SRM, increasing the color to 16 SRM. This recipe prioritizes your initial color spec instead of malt percentages:
Red Rye IPA with Spruce Tips

Wort Size (bbl): 11.40
Total Grain (Lbs): 777.00
Anticipated OG: 1.064 Plato: 15.62
Anticipated SRM: 14.4
Anticipated IBU: 61.9
Mash Efficiency: 82 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Extract SRM
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35.4 275.00 lbs. Pale Ale Malt (2 Row) Canada 1.024 4
35.4 275.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) America 1.023 2
14.2 110.00 lbs. Rye Malt America 1.008 4
7.1 55.00 lbs. Crystal 60L America 1.004 60
7.1 55.00 lbs. Munich Malt Germany 1.005 8
0.9 7.00 lbs. Roasted Barley Great Britain 1.000 575

Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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3.00 lbs. Chinook Pellet 13.00 33.8 60 min.
2.00 lbs. Centennial Pellet 10.50 14.0 30 min.
3.00 lbs. Denali Pellet 14.00 7.3 5 min.
3.00 lbs. Chinook Pellet 13.00 6.7 5 min.
5.00 lbs. Denali Pellet 14.00 0.0 Dry Hop
5.00 lbs. Chinook Pellet 13.00 0.0 Dry Hop

Mash Schedule
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Total Grain Lbs: 777.00
Strike Water bbl: 8.00
Grain Temp: 65.00 F

Time Temp Strike Amount Ratio
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60 154 167 8BBL 1.28

Happy to make any desired adjustments

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Re: Recipe discussion for brew day at Transplants on Jan 2nd

Post by PatRay » Tue Nov 30, 2021 10:41 am

Dylan,

That looks good.. almost makes me want to try and kick out a homebrew batch .. might not be a bad idea. I think initially we talked about adding the spruce tips, but didn't want a lot of beer sitting around that won't be sold, cause folks don't like spruce, then we discussed dry hopping a keg as a safer bet.. so I really don't know. I would defer to Matt and Sarah on their thoughts. The spruce isn't cheap, $135 for 5lbs, we're looking at 15lbs for the whole batch, so about $405.

I might actually try and brew a 5 gallon test batch on December 10th or 11th.. it may be ready for tasting on January 2nd, but that's really too late to make any recipe adjustments and way behind any dates that Transplants would need to purchase ingredients by... Not sure if Matt/Sarah check in on the forums..

I'll call you after I scale down the recipe to put in an order..

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Re: Recipe discussion for brew day at Transplants on Jan 2nd

Post by DylanD » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:38 am

Makes perfect sense, Pat. That is a lot of $$ for spruce, so it seems a poor choice if there isn't much excitement on the customer side.

If it's helpful, here's a recipe scaled to 6G (EOB Kettle Vol) and a roughly 20% bump in hop usage, both to account for the omission of spruce and a lower hop utilization rate on the small scale. If you want to get a bit closer to a commercial version, a 20 min hot whirlpool would probably also help:

Red Rye IPA

Wort Size (Gal): 6.00
Total Grain (Lbs): 14.13
Anticipated OG: 1.064
Anticipated SRM: 15.0
Anticipated IBU: 71.5
Brewhouse Efficiency: 76 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
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35.4 5.00 lbs. Pale Ale Malt (2 Row) America 1.038 4
35.4 5.00 lbs. Pale Malt(2-row) America 1.036 2
14.2 2.00 lbs. Rye Malt America 1.030 4
7.1 1.00 lbs. Crystal 60L America 1.034 60
7.1 1.00 lbs. Munich Malt Germany 1.037 8
0.9 0.13 lbs. Roasted Barley Great Britain 1.029 575

Hops (This formulation definitely leans bitter- Ask Transplants what usage rates work well for their system and methods, this is just an example)

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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1.00 oz. Chinook Pellet 13.00 41.5 60 min.
0.50 oz. Centennial Pellet 10.50 12.9 30 min.
1.00 oz. Denali Pellet 14.00 8.9 5 min.
1.00 oz. Chinook Pellet 13.00 8.3 5 min.
1.50 oz. Denali Pellet 14.00 0.0 Dry Hop
1.50 oz. Chinook Pellet 13.00 0.0 Dry Hop

Mash Schedule
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Total Grain Lbs: 14.13
Total Water Gal: 4.50 - Before Additional Infusions

Grain Temp: 65.00 F

Step Rest Start Stop Heat Infuse Infuse Infuse
Step Name Time Time Temp Temp Type Temp Amount Ratio
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154 5 60 154 154 Infuse 167 18.00 1.27

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